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		<title>By: Jeffrey Herrlich</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-58845</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Herrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 19 Jun 2008 14:19:24 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I had a spare moment so I thought I&#039;d elaborate on what I wrote above. I think that consciousness is a matter of &quot;calculating-out&quot; a &quot;signal&quot; from the &quot;noise&quot;. Where the &quot;noise&quot; is the set of all possible conscious perceptions. And the &quot;signal&quot; is the perceived &quot;input&quot; that is revealed (by calculation) to have the the highest assigned probability of being the &quot;correct&quot; one. [I wish I could put this more clearly using language]. 

It would be nice to know at what probability value a given throughput would become a conscious perception. It would have to be less than 100% probability - but it&#039;s hard to say more than that. Just to throw out a guess, I imagine it would be something quite close to 100%  probability without quite reaching it. Only algorithms beyond a certain level of complexity would be able to &quot;reveal&quot; the perception with a sufficiently high probability value.

Ahh, speculation is simply too much fun - probably to an unproductive degree, even.  :-)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I had a spare moment so I thought I&#8217;d elaborate on what I wrote above. I think that consciousness is a matter of &#8220;calculating-out&#8221; a &#8220;signal&#8221; from the &#8220;noise&#8221;. Where the &#8220;noise&#8221; is the set of all possible conscious perceptions. And the &#8220;signal&#8221; is the perceived &#8220;input&#8221; that is revealed (by calculation) to have the the highest assigned probability of being the &#8220;correct&#8221; one. [I wish I could put this more clearly using language]. </p>
<p>It would be nice to know at what probability value a given throughput would become a conscious perception. It would have to be less than 100% probability &#8211; but it&#8217;s hard to say more than that. Just to throw out a guess, I imagine it would be something quite close to 100%  probability without quite reaching it. Only algorithms beyond a certain level of complexity would be able to &#8220;reveal&#8221; the perception with a sufficiently high probability value.</p>
<p>Ahh, speculation is simply too much fun &#8211; probably to an unproductive degree, even.  <img src='http://singinst.org/blog/wp-includes/images/smilies/icon_smile.gif' alt=':-)' class='wp-smiley' /> </p>
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		<title>By: Halo</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-41595</link>
		<dc:creator>Halo</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 10 Apr 2008 23:16:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Whatever its definition i think its correct to assume that consciousness is a &#039;conscious thing&#039; and who it to say that it has violition other than our personal aims and that perhaps it doesnt want us to understand it until it is ready for us to do so. The big question to me is, where are all the priests and spritual people in this research , or do the people with computers think that consciousness belongs to them? The fact that techcnically there is no definition of consciousness makes me wonder why researches think they are researching consciousness in the first place, its like the dot com boom, their faking it to get grants.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Whatever its definition i think its correct to assume that consciousness is a &#8216;conscious thing&#8217; and who it to say that it has violition other than our personal aims and that perhaps it doesnt want us to understand it until it is ready for us to do so. The big question to me is, where are all the priests and spritual people in this research , or do the people with computers think that consciousness belongs to them? The fact that techcnically there is no definition of consciousness makes me wonder why researches think they are researching consciousness in the first place, its like the dot com boom, their faking it to get grants.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Herrlich</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-40228</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Herrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 01 Apr 2008 20:30:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Also along these same lines, one can point to the dramatic changes in subjective experience brought about by alcohol or illegal drugs - which I presume exert their effects by subtly (and temporarily) changing the relevant algorithmic &quot;structure&quot; of the brain.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Also along these same lines, one can point to the dramatic changes in subjective experience brought about by alcohol or illegal drugs &#8211; which I presume exert their effects by subtly (and temporarily) changing the relevant algorithmic &#8220;structure&#8221; of the brain.</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Herrlich</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-38887</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Herrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 21 Mar 2008 17:06:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>My two cents...

I think that consciousness is the result of a long sequence of (standard) calculations revealing a calculated probability distribution of what the immediately preceding &quot;input&quot; (of any particular type) &quot;had to be&quot; (ie. was most probable). Its surely got to be one of the deepest mysteries of the brain - how such very subtle differences in algorithm structure (eg. between different brain modules) can cause such a wide range of perception, from vision to emotion to memories and all that other stuff. Very weird. However, I suspect that it won&#039;t be necessary to solve *all* the mysteries of the human brain in order to make an AGI. We really only need to capture the salient aspects, and we&#039;ll have powerful software models to help us out along the way.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>My two cents&#8230;</p>
<p>I think that consciousness is the result of a long sequence of (standard) calculations revealing a calculated probability distribution of what the immediately preceding &#8220;input&#8221; (of any particular type) &#8220;had to be&#8221; (ie. was most probable). Its surely got to be one of the deepest mysteries of the brain &#8211; how such very subtle differences in algorithm structure (eg. between different brain modules) can cause such a wide range of perception, from vision to emotion to memories and all that other stuff. Very weird. However, I suspect that it won&#8217;t be necessary to solve *all* the mysteries of the human brain in order to make an AGI. We really only need to capture the salient aspects, and we&#8217;ll have powerful software models to help us out along the way.</p>
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		<title>By: JRLogan</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-38148</link>
		<dc:creator>JRLogan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 15 Mar 2008 14:14:29 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>I see consciousness,intelligence, and awareness as different things. I can be conscious without being aware and inteligence is debatable. Pesonally I can&#039;t see consciousness arriving from where it was not already. I theorize that consciousness of some sort is inherent in all things although there may be no awareness. I also think that existance is not a state of matter but rather matter is a state of existance and existance itself is consciousness. I do believe that with sufficient advances that artificial intelligent systems may become self-aware like us and that a non-aware consciousness exists inherently, with the degree of intelligence depending on the complexity of the system. 
At a certain level of system complexity the consciousness of individual components merge sort of like magnetic fields of pieces of magnetic materials. My view is more philosophical than scientific I know but it makes sence to me.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>I see consciousness,intelligence, and awareness as different things. I can be conscious without being aware and inteligence is debatable. Pesonally I can&#8217;t see consciousness arriving from where it was not already. I theorize that consciousness of some sort is inherent in all things although there may be no awareness. I also think that existance is not a state of matter but rather matter is a state of existance and existance itself is consciousness. I do believe that with sufficient advances that artificial intelligent systems may become self-aware like us and that a non-aware consciousness exists inherently, with the degree of intelligence depending on the complexity of the system.<br />
At a certain level of system complexity the consciousness of individual components merge sort of like magnetic fields of pieces of magnetic materials. My view is more philosophical than scientific I know but it makes sence to me.</p>
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		<title>By: Brad</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-15028</link>
		<dc:creator>Brad</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 20 Nov 2007 16:23:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The main issue about consiousness is that it can analyse concepts rather than objects.

Words for instance, are not objects but rather concepts. And we can analyse words. (look at the &quot;What&#039;s really red about red?&quot; comment.)

A phrase is a fabrication of ours that links multiple concepts together, something which can only be observed in humans. An animal&#039;s intelligence can allow it to learn about how to react to a certain situation. But you&#039;ll never hear that animal talk about the situation.

I also agree that consiousness is only an advanced version of animal intelligence. It&#039;s focus is however on intellectual objects rather than just stimuli.

In order to have an &quot;AC&quot;, you would need a computer so advanced that it can program itself, I doubt we will every achieve such a thing.  To create AC would require us to at least be capable of fully understanding the brain in it&#039;s very last details. The incredible network of brain cells is nothing more than a much greater application of a computer&#039;s &quot;If, Then, Else&quot;.  Those cells mostly work by generating(then) or inhibiting(else) &quot;charges&quot;, which has always reminded me of the &quot;if-then-else&quot;.

(Foot note : I&#039;m not an expert on the matter. My knowledge is limited to a few biology classes in college and a somewhat greater amount of education when it comes to programming.)</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The main issue about consiousness is that it can analyse concepts rather than objects.</p>
<p>Words for instance, are not objects but rather concepts. And we can analyse words. (look at the &#8220;What&#8217;s really red about red?&#8221; comment.)</p>
<p>A phrase is a fabrication of ours that links multiple concepts together, something which can only be observed in humans. An animal&#8217;s intelligence can allow it to learn about how to react to a certain situation. But you&#8217;ll never hear that animal talk about the situation.</p>
<p>I also agree that consiousness is only an advanced version of animal intelligence. It&#8217;s focus is however on intellectual objects rather than just stimuli.</p>
<p>In order to have an &#8220;AC&#8221;, you would need a computer so advanced that it can program itself, I doubt we will every achieve such a thing.  To create AC would require us to at least be capable of fully understanding the brain in it&#8217;s very last details. The incredible network of brain cells is nothing more than a much greater application of a computer&#8217;s &#8220;If, Then, Else&#8221;.  Those cells mostly work by generating(then) or inhibiting(else) &#8220;charges&#8221;, which has always reminded me of the &#8220;if-then-else&#8221;.</p>
<p>(Foot note : I&#8217;m not an expert on the matter. My knowledge is limited to a few biology classes in college and a somewhat greater amount of education when it comes to programming.)</p>
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		<title>By: Christophe Menant</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-13312</link>
		<dc:creator>Christophe Menant</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 14 Nov 2007 13:39:56 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Looks like current AI is not really taking into account the specificities of human consciousness (HC). 
HC is a characteristic of human intelligence, and consequently should be studied by AI. 
HC is mainly about self-consciousness and phenomenal consciousness.  
Self consciousness can be defined as âthe possession of the concept of the self and the ability to use this concept in thinking about oneselfâ. It is different from phenomenal consciousness which is more oriented at subjective feelings and can be understood as âexperience; the phenomenally conscious aspect of a state is what it is like to be in that stateâ. 
HC covers free will and emotions. And these components are key to AI when looking at the risk for AI to become unfriendly to humans. 
Research activities are on going on HC in philosophical approaches to a science of consciousness (http://www.consc.net/mindpapers/) and also, at a lesser extend, in the field of artificial consciousness (http://www.consciousness.it/CAI/CAI.htm). 
I feel that SIAI activities should consider HC more explicitly. 
If you are interested about an tentative understanding of HC based on self-consciousness  in a way that could perhaps be transposed to computers, you can have a look at
(http://crmenant.free.fr/AAAI-2007/Artificial-Consciousness.Christophe-Menant.pdf).</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Looks like current AI is not really taking into account the specificities of human consciousness (HC).<br />
HC is a characteristic of human intelligence, and consequently should be studied by AI.<br />
HC is mainly about self-consciousness and phenomenal consciousness.<br />
Self consciousness can be defined as âthe possession of the concept of the self and the ability to use this concept in thinking about oneselfâ. It is different from phenomenal consciousness which is more oriented at subjective feelings and can be understood as âexperience; the phenomenally conscious aspect of a state is what it is like to be in that stateâ.<br />
HC covers free will and emotions. And these components are key to AI when looking at the risk for AI to become unfriendly to humans.<br />
Research activities are on going on HC in philosophical approaches to a science of consciousness (<a href="http://www.consc.net/mindpapers/" rel="nofollow">http://www.consc.net/mindpapers/</a>) and also, at a lesser extend, in the field of artificial consciousness (<a href="http://www.consciousness.it/CAI/CAI.htm" rel="nofollow">http://www.consciousness.it/CAI/CAI.htm</a>).<br />
I feel that SIAI activities should consider HC more explicitly.<br />
If you are interested about an tentative understanding of HC based on self-consciousness  in a way that could perhaps be transposed to computers, you can have a look at<br />
(<a href="http://crmenant.free.fr/AAAI-2007/Artificial-Consciousness.Christophe-Menant.pdf" rel="nofollow">http://crmenant.free.fr/AAAI-2007/Artificial-Consciousness.Christophe-Menant.pdf</a>).</p>
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		<title>By: Jeffrey Herrlich</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-7450</link>
		<dc:creator>Jeffrey Herrlich</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sun, 07 Oct 2007 18:29:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;What is your definition of free will? Make sure you use a falsifiable definition (what is a being that does have free will like?)&quot;

This is actually difficult to address, because often when someone asserts that they or something else have free will, it&#039;s a mushy, poorly defined, and emotionally infused conception. My perception is that when most people assert &quot;free will&quot;, they automatically assume that it is some sort of mystical, causeless freedom of desire that doesn&#039;t require any justification within &quot;scientific&quot; reality. My assertion is that dynamic human desires follow the rules of causality. That the mind, and the desires of the mind follow from an algorithmic process. In short, that our dynamic &quot;will&quot; doesn&#039;t magically emerge from the aether. That they, our dynamic desires, are caused by something, and that we can exploit the rules of causality to create a Friendly AI. In my opinion, there is no being that has a dynamic &quot;will&quot; that doesn&#039;t also abide by the rules of causality. I don&#039;t dispute that it is possible for a human to &quot;feel&quot; varying degrees of &quot;freedom&quot;, such as imprisonment as you mentioned.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;What is your definition of free will? Make sure you use a falsifiable definition (what is a being that does have free will like?)&#8221;</p>
<p>This is actually difficult to address, because often when someone asserts that they or something else have free will, it&#8217;s a mushy, poorly defined, and emotionally infused conception. My perception is that when most people assert &#8220;free will&#8221;, they automatically assume that it is some sort of mystical, causeless freedom of desire that doesn&#8217;t require any justification within &#8220;scientific&#8221; reality. My assertion is that dynamic human desires follow the rules of causality. That the mind, and the desires of the mind follow from an algorithmic process. In short, that our dynamic &#8220;will&#8221; doesn&#8217;t magically emerge from the aether. That they, our dynamic desires, are caused by something, and that we can exploit the rules of causality to create a Friendly AI. In my opinion, there is no being that has a dynamic &#8220;will&#8221; that doesn&#8217;t also abide by the rules of causality. I don&#8217;t dispute that it is possible for a human to &#8220;feel&#8221; varying degrees of &#8220;freedom&#8221;, such as imprisonment as you mentioned.</p>
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		<title>By: Nick Hay</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-7370</link>
		<dc:creator>Nick Hay</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 23:20:17 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Actually, it doesn&#039;t.

This doesn&#039;t show humans have consciousness as some humans think it.  It shows humans have some quirk which causes them to sometimes get confused about this.  A straightforward expected utility maximiser would not get confused like this.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Actually, it doesn&#8217;t.</p>
<p>This doesn&#8217;t show humans have consciousness as some humans think it.  It shows humans have some quirk which causes them to sometimes get confused about this.  A straightforward expected utility maximiser would not get confused like this.</p>
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		<title>By: Tiiba</title>
		<link>http://singinst.org/blog/2007/10/04/artificial-consciousness/#comment-7295</link>
		<dc:creator>Tiiba</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Sat, 06 Oct 2007 03:46:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>&quot;Yes. Many AI designs would not have this confusion.&quot;

How does your conclusion follow from this fact?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>&#8220;Yes. Many AI designs would not have this confusion.&#8221;</p>
<p>How does your conclusion follow from this fact?</p>
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